Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. And presented them with the information, he essentially tossed it to the side and said, So what?, No consequences. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. which Hybels assented to including you know, repenting for his behavior and not talking about politics and some other things as well. Destroyed by a staff person is my understanding. I think the larger the platform, the more rigorous the accountability needs to be. Julie, you may want to review this pointwasnt a problem? The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. I will always have my faith in Jesus but church especially WCCC has been a huge disappointment. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. It took me a long time to agree that he had done the things of which he had been accused. I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. Its something like Child Protection Policies. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. Hmm. And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. I mean, that is just huge. Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. That goes to the guarding role that Attorney Mitch shared. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. etc. We have an open listing for a lead teaching pastor in a what I believe is a healthy church environment. In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. Inside their system, they need to be guarded, governed, guided. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Why didnt others support them? And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. Its really pride. Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. You know, people like Dee Parsons, Julie Anne Smith, Julia Dahl, and people who I knew would not stop talking about it and would not stop talking about it for months. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. How do you recommend searching worth while places to donate too? He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. And youre in the process right now of looking for a senior pastor. (See page 54 and following) Hes one of the good guys. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. And not elevated above it. I know the owners Dan and Kurt Marquart personally, and I can say without reservation that they truly run their business with honesty, integrity and transparency. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. I wasnt throughout the representation. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. And I remember you saying. I think youre absolutely right about that. And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. Thats what he was. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Yeah, right. And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. And I think there was, but I think that theres a spiritual stronghold around celebrity culture within evangelicalism writ large. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. Well, early on in the process after the Tribune article, we had to make a decision, How are we going to fight a machine of this size that is basically promulgating lies about these women and their families and their supporters? And I reached out to people that I already knew within, you know, the watch blogging community. ) So, Willows pride did not allow them to see any flaws in their leadership, especially their premier leader. Yeah, without using any names. He makes sure the good things stay in the church and the bad things go out. And now lets put that in the past. Willow did not want to reckon with the deformed culture that had manifested underneath Bills leadership. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Youre absolutely right. And he offers keen insights that are desperately needed as many churches today struggle to be healthy and to avoid the mistakes other megachurches have made. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. And unless theyre pollinated by hand, on the one day that the bloom opens, they wont make anything. Yes, I totally agree. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. And I had a wonderful experience. How do spot a safe pastorand can. 1 talking about this. I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Pete has offered to This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. Hi. I appreciate your feedback. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. May God lead your next steps and may you find ways to use your gifts from a place of health. Is that right? I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. That to me, is a corruption of the role. Yeah, that is super dangerous. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. The fact that, I dont know. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. Amen. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Yeah. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. And you you actually refer to it as multi-level marketing. But this certainly raises red flags. But its an analog. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. And if you think its not, you know, go and look in your church building right now, if youre quarantined under COVID, or youre not gathering. Lets say you have you have six or eight members who are saying, Guys, we need to fire this person. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. And yet, they lost the PR battle, which is unbelievable. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. If they have the character to lead the accountability will help keep them you know, keep them honest, so to speak, you know, its kind of like when you put a bike lock on your bike that. The ministry began in 1971 while Stuart served as senior pastor of Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which grew into the largest evangelical church in the state. To me, Bill did not come across as a predator, flirty or suggestive with women. Because they were required to move by unanimity. Hes a complex character. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. So when you have a culture thats willing to, you know, exfoliate spoiliate, destroy documents in order to preserve a narrative, theres really very little that the culture will not accomplish at the cost of innocent people. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. And its designed to be acretive, right that they gain strength over time. So Im guessing youre not against lawyers being on board. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. So to some extent, we all have a measure of hypocrisy. Thats a bad default state. The priests who cross the street, right? But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. 1 talking about this. I think he lost it. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. They need accountability. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. Not sad or contemplative, but agitated and very irritated. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. The thing that is so terrifying is that someone who has been a senior pastor in an organization like that is not beyond it. Scott Dyer was the worship pastor at Bent Tree Bible fellowship. Like so many of you, I love Pete. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. Also, major problems. Their board operated by unanimity as well. And theyre born knowing how to do that. This is a person who is pushing a boundary because they want to do something bad. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? Everyone I knew from childhoodparents, grandparents, pastors, Sunday School teacherswas upright and honest. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray And Im good friends with her husband Scott Dyer as well. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. The immense audio, video, and written teaching resources on our website help people who are seeking answers about God to know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. Yep, thats rooted in pride. Let me give you some examples. I think one of the things that happens in churches, from a deformed leadership standpoint, is requiring boards to operate in unanimity or using unity as a cudgel against people who have firm convictions about things. How did that all happen? Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. I was blown away. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. and I found these people in those imperfect churches! Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And so, you know, as a lawyer on the board, youre not absolved from the obligation of complying with the mandates of Scripture. Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas for nearly 30 years, and he now ministers to pastors and organizational executives through personalized, professional coaching. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. Very few. These little bitty people, from Willows perspective, who helped win the PR back, its a miracle. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. How are you? I know about the deleted emails. At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. That is not a matter of policy. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. We bought the routine and its shocking. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. Telling the Truthis the international on-air and online media ministry that distributes the teaching content of uniquely-gifted Bible teachersStuart and Jill Briscoeto help people know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. I cant vouch for all the information because I havent researched it myself. Because we represent their interests. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. Yeah. I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. Right? Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. So appreciate. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. Hybels at one point had a major conflict with a woman who was serving on the elder board, who was trying to hold him accountable and essentially used a reconciliation process involving some other big names in evangelicalism to essentially run her off, put her under an NDA. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. In the late 1990s, Telling the Truth was blessed with opportunities to expand the broadcasts overseas with a newly formed Christian radio station in London, Premier Christian Radio, which today remains the only Christian station across the entire United Kingdom, with 1.2 million weekly listeners. Its biblical. John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. I think that he lost that. The church is literally a collection of people. Tell us what you learned through you know, bringing this person to light, confronting him and dealing with the entire situation that we can learn from as a church. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. So if you think of Willow as being a living thing, we are willing to put other things to death on the altar of preserving that organism. I want to share that God used Petes sermon on not being isolated (Ecclesiastes) in our sons life. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. He was like one of these, I think until Scot decided to speak up, it was, Willow had credulity to say, These are people outside our tribe who are criticizing us. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. 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