Architecture and city planning has a lot to do with it; I cant imagine it happening in suburbs where houses are widely-spaced and hard to travel between. I think things are different if there wouldnt be any expectation of an invitemy co-workers weekend plans, for instance, are common Friday conversationsbut in those situations people dont have feelings to manage. I love her dearly but I need more notice than wanna go out in an hour? I dont mind being asked because sometimes I do wanna be spontaneous but I also probably will say no most times and would like to not have to be in the position to have to constantly be the naysayer. Losing the chance to do that would be disappointing to me. My home is my sacred space, man. You must carefully gauge this and time the request with deft diplomacy. Your flat is absolutely not an option, so the best thing to do here is just to go ahead and ask him. Group gaslighting is just so fun (not). Dont demand. Unless I evict them, I cant have my house in a perpetual state of readiness (my version) for visitors, therefore DO NOT PRESENT YOURSELF AT MY HOME WITHOUT PRIOR ARRANGEMENT. You can make plans to meet up with them during their lunch hour, but you dont interrupt them whilst theyre working; I dont know if thats a British (specifically London) thing though. If you can improve the overall social impression you make you'll give yourself more leeway to invite yourself to things. 5 to 10 minutes late is compassionate. If you are sure about him then just go ahead and ask him and the truth is he probably wont say no if he desires the same thing as you. I think the general pattern was that the kids took on as much of the arranging as their age and ability allowed, and that gradually increased as they got older. And just a side note: My number one pet peeve is people showing up at my house unexpectedly. Depending on the age of the kids, you might get farther with a parent/kid invite T comes with the parent at the moment, you feed the parent tasty adult snacks and have stuff the kids can eat. Anyway, Im pretty much resigned to the fact that giving unsolicited advice is a social faux pas, so am trying to focus on other gifts that others might offer me instead. If this were a healthy friendship, that would be fine. Back in my teens if I was too anxious/busy/unpresentable to talk to an unannounced house caller I would either not answer the door or ask my parents to say I was out. They are not uncivilized roobs its just the norms of the very casual social culture in which they travel. Once, it wouldnt be a big deal, but if it happened often with a particular friend, Id have to say Canyou call first or I prefer advance planning. I mean, if my friend really has to use the bathroom, or their car needs a jump or their bike has a flat and their phone is out of battery, without question Id want them to come to me rather than poop their pants or flounder for assistance, but I am *personally* not one for the serendipitous fun hangout at my house. It is like the puzzle Geordi wasnt allowed to send the Borg ship. At home, with no planned activity, there is no outside authority to appeal to, and if youre the type to solve problems or offer to pitch in rather than take the hint it can be pretty stressful. Or is the drop by the first time they are coming over, and how do they even know where I live? If someone is discussing a plan in front of you, they know youre there! Like, weddings often include a cost per person and youre not going to suck up that cost for everyone and their dog just because they want to come. ! when someone shows up unexpectedly, and I only attend events I have been expressly invited to. Sorry you had to deal with all that. Dont even start playing that game you wanted to play, or reading that book youre reading, because god forbid youre in the middle of something when someone arrives! i agree with a lot of what youre saying, being part of a group does not automatically mean that you are invited to all the things, that is very true. I would definitely be shame-cleaning my bedroom if I was anticipating having someone in it, but the rest of the house its just cleaning. If she shouts at you? Get it all spelled out. Issue one invitation, and whether its accepted or turned down, wait for one from her before issuing another. No way. (Polite noises can be Anyway, it was good to see you; I guess I should head out and let you get back to stuff?), I get where youre coming from, and there are some benefits to brutal honesty, but not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends.. If he accepts, but suggests hanging out at your place, have an excuse in mind for why you have to hang out at his place. Seriously. Im not sure if youve already responded to your friend or not, but if not I think the correct response here is a simple Hey, sorry, didnt mean to invade your space! But I also have friends where hey Im heading that way and Ill be there in an hour can I crash on your couch tonight? is completely acceptable (but also comes with a side of being told no, actually I cant crash tonight because kids are sick/family is in town/someone else has the couch). but where will the implications sit if youve moved all of the furniture? And if I get somewhere ridiculously early I will go walk around the block several times until Im actually expected, or go to a coffee shop or something. Then I realize theyre not going to punish me, they really were just asking, and its no big deal going forward. It may not be rude to you (and certainly is less invasive than just showing up), but as the comments here make clear there are a whole lot of people who dont like it when a friend invites herself to their home. If you just want to come in and chat and you have not ASKED beforehand or something, not going to happen. Cooking is one of many love languages, and if you are familiar with it, then there is no better way to show him how much you care than by preparing a tasty home-cooked dinner. Its best to assume theyre not into drop-ins unless they make it clear they like that kind of thing. Like . Going on for eight paragraphs about what awesome food you will have, in front of someone who is not invited to eat the awesome food, is unkind. Like, most of Mr Birds family lives in Nearish Smaller Town, and often have to come to Big Town where we live for shopping, doctors, etc. But in Small Town, on the rare occasions when it wasnt a good time for hanging out, no matter how low-grade, it was very hard to say that in a socially acceptable way. Guys don't usually invite girl (friends) to hang out alone just to "hang out". Certain people, certain times in my life, I have been 100% okay with showing up unannounced at their place and vice versa. The situations you describe wouldnt bother me in the least! My gran is old-fashioned enough that she has actual calling cards with nothing but her name on them, so if she drops by someones house and theyre not home, she tucks the card in the doorframe to let them know she was there. Im still trying to find the adult language to be, like, NO, your roommate-with-whom-I-am-only-casually-acquainted is NOT automatically also invited when you come visit and stay in my apartment in my new city, h-how, why, why would you think that would be the case? butmore kindly. What does this mean for transportation etc.. If Im waiting a while, Ill text you and let you know Im here. But theres a lot wrong with painting peoples legitimate reasons for disliking unexpected people dropping by as some sort of irrational priggishness, and the cleaning remark is just gratuitously nasty. I just feel like it's a bit rude without even asking N's mom to come over (We are still in high school, so we still live with parents) I would never want to interrupt anything N's mom has going on at her house that day. My crapsack old car keeps eating up my GTFO Fund savings, which fills me with despair, as they grow so slowly on my tiny salary and I am drowning in debt to THREE colleges, now. You don't need a whole lot of luggage, and it might be a little scary if he sees you lugging in an entire makeup counter. See Id totally get that we should do this! doesnt actually mean it until you make specific plans, but as soon as someone actually mentions a day Id assume its something that is almost certainly going to happen and we just need to confirm the time. ), I wasnt invited! And then, if they feel differently about this issue, they say something dismissive, and then you 1) KNOW that they feel differently, and 2) can say, Im just not comfortable showing up somewhere unless I have an invitation. And thenagain, this works best if youre close, I thinkmaybe they remember to invite you in the future. [6] 3 Make a list of everything you want to pack. But if she leans over you and is not bothered with brushing her body against yours, you have got a winner here. It was a wide social group that had a mailing list where events were announced, generally one or two a week, and there were pretty established protocols for the types of event (drinkies = earlier, no dancing, quiet enough to talk and socialise; parties = later, music, dancing, acceptable to get drunker; anything else all details laid out specifically). 2023 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media, All Rights Reserved. All the adults in the household work full time, they have kids, they have pets, they have physical disabilities couple any one of those with feelings of shame over a cluttered or messy living space, and youre there. 3. NONE OF THE REST OF YOU ARE INVITED. I would hate everything about this. Its not some kind of moral failing. come on. The thing that you are missing, it sounds very much like you miss it from a privileged position of not having safe-space related anxiety. The easiest way to get a guy to invite you over is to suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it nearly impossible for him to say no. Hi all, long time lurker, first time commenter I have seen this from both sides of the dropping by conundrum. There are a lot of things to talk about in this world. Shes just rude. Sometimes Id be forced to stand there screaming and pleading with them to stop, which usually resulted in a beating for being so ungrateful. She is MUCH better about it now, because for about a year she was being left off of invitation lists completely because everyone got so tired of dealing with her vile, unpleasant, and eventually abusive boyfriend. I know some families like to plan a group vacation together, but I never encountered anyone just trying to invite themselves on someones personal holiday! 4. Ha, intercultural differences around this kind of thing are a trip. But Im always thanked for double and triple checking with him because I understand that his particular brand of anxiety can say yes lets definitely plan to do this and then the day of be I really want to do this but I cant do it today. About three weeks out, I did a last run through the response list, and figured out that one friend who I had been discussing the wedding with had never responded. Uurghhrggghh you bet that any child of mine will be raised with a HUGE feelings-related vocabulary (I pretty much only knew happy, angry, sad until my teens?) It definitely hurts Mr Birds feelings to find out later that his dad, who we have a good relationship with but are only able to see a few times a year, was in Big Town all day with plenty of free time and didnt stop by (or call to see if wed be free that day). You could then and could now. Do they seem loose and easygoing about these kinds of social rules, or are they more proper and formal? This Is How To Invite Yourself Over To His House, English Conversation Practice - Inviting Someone to the Bar, This Is How To Initiate Physical Contact With A Shy Guy, This Is How Many Dates Before Inviting Him Over. A no is a no. They will never ever have to believe that they are inherently bad at being people. It should be noted that I live in an area with notoriously shit cell reception, so sometimes people cant text or call. why didnt you tell me?? The end. If Im just at home, I can just switch from alone-state to friend-state and be done with it. How to invite yourself over to someone's house. Of course, these are people who I am not close to or do not like very much, and who I would have a hard time saying no to/will not accept I am busy and we cannot visit now as an acceptable answer. They think Im being silly when Im unsure like that. No problem Anna Sthetic, your comment was important too, I just wanted to put across another perspective. Ill say something like I didnt know I was invited because nobody actually told me I was, and Id think it would be rude of me to just show up And theyll shrug and go, well, of course you were invited! Oh eek. I had to talk to my best friend gently about that. Because while there are people (very extremely few people) I can happily hang out with regularly for 9 hours, they are not them. Look, there's a good chance if she's agreed to come over, you'll end up in bed together, and the last thing you want is to bring her into a lair of disarray. So on time it hurts. The Captain mentioned the Ask vs. I mean its not only that they arent invited, but theyre excluded from the conversation almost by default. Im pickier about when I want to hang out if we werent already doing so, but asking even 10 minutes beforehand greatly increases the chances of me wanting you to come over, because then I have time to switch to social mode rather than ack, an intruder in my happy little introvert bubble, go away mode. Were all moving to different cities now so I guess it wont be a problem any more with that specific group. My brother and sister-in-law wound up super-stressed because not only did her mother and father invite themselves over, but they brought her brother, his wife and their twin toddlers. It hurts to be the one being downgraded, but when it happens the only thing to do is respect their wishes and give them space. as possible. Or as they are also known, mess-makers. If it happens again, rinse and repeat. If a bunch of friends are seeing some kind of movie or concert, where it doesn't really matter how many people come along or not, and the attitude is often "the more the merrier", it's probably okay to ask if you can join. I'm trained as a counselor. He will get the point. So much this. Also, Its not a a good time, I have boiling food/exploding children/a dog who is sick at both ends is an acceptable excuse. I have not seen most of those people since many of them failed out after a semester, and I have not seen the remainder since I changed majors and no longer had to see Britney and her friends all the time, and I am so happy about it. CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE MADE PLANS TO SEE A FUNNY MOVIE. Ragey is about right! I mean, sure, some people might, if theyre really nice and interested in pretty much everything. She had never received the invitations (thanks, post office! Im someone with a developmental disorder, and commenting on other people doing bizarre and/or not-okay things with stuff that says theyre just like a three-year-old or mentally twelve or whatever is really, really gross. I am just a very messy person (which is sometimes exacerbated by depression). We knew we disagreed on a few things, knew we were different people, but the love and support was always there until it wasnt. I just didnt realize that when someone starts coming down on you hard for doing something as innocuous as dropping by at the wrong time, the problem isnt with the etiquette rule; its with the relationship. Its shame cleaning for me, because although I have battled my way out of squalor, my day-to-day living situation is still a good few degrees below what most people consider lived-in levels of clutter. I was shy, awkward, and lonely until my mid-twenties and created this site to be the kind of guide I wish I'd had at the time. We were all night owls, but at least twice visits in the neighborhood were after 11pm. I may be asleep. I love tacos. If they say any form of Thanks, but or That wont work this time because (reasons) or Aw, I wish I could but I have to. It can feel highly embarassing that you cant maintain higher standards. I think that actually makes me LESS amenable to unexpected interruptions at home because Ive already used up all my people-dealing-with fuel fielding the expected-but-not-planned interactions at work. and if someone who has acted like were the best of friends doesnt invite me to something i would have expected to be invited to, and then proceeds to talk about it non-stop in front of me and acts like were still super close? Shes not quite as clueless as she comes across. I usually dont got to bed until 3 or 4, but after 9 or 10 Im usually not prepared to leave or entertain without serious incentive or an established plan. I have a sister-in-law with family like this. People seem to vary widely, so Im a big proponent of Ask, not Guess. I was there to do a hobby that most people arent interested in and that I was going to spend most of my time there doing, and the rest of it resting. I'm telling you from experience: Nothing is going to kill the vibe quicker than a dirty, dank, disgusting apartment. You can get them pumped about hosting you by talking about all the fun times ahead, like board games, movie nights and backyard barbecues. I mind people looking at my mess! This leaves friend feeling frustrated that Im ignoring them and making it hard for them to plan their Saturday. And my husband, who works from home and had not planned to eat lunch with us because he is working, has to let you in and entertain you. 1. Even if it's occasionally fine, it isn't something anyone should make a habit of doing, or take it for granted as a way to hang out with people. Its like having a conversation vs reading my mind. 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